#66732: "Using VPs as a tie breaker is not useful"
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Gedetailleerde beschrijving
• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de foutboodschap die je op je scherm ziet, indien van toepassing.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Leg uit wat je wilde doen, wat je deed en wat er gebeurde
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een schermafbeelding van deze bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je Imgur.com gebruiken om deze te uploaden, de link kopiëren en hier plakken.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Wat stond op het scherm toen je geblokkeerd was (Leeg scherm? Een deel van de spelinterface? Foutboodschap?)
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Met welk onderdeel van de regels is geen rekening gehouden bij de BGA-versie?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Is de inbreuk op de spelregels zichtbaar in de spelherhaling? Indien ja, bij welk zetnummer?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Welke spelactie wilde je uitvoeren?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Wat probeerde je te doen om deze spelactie te laten optreden?
• Wat gebeurde er toen je dit probeerde te doen (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• In welke fase van het spel deed het probleem zich voor (wat was de huidige spelinstructie)?
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Wat gebeurde toen je deze spelactie probeerde (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Beschrijf alsjeblieft het probleem met de beeldweergave. Als je een schermafbeelding van deze bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je Imgur.com gebruiken om deze te uploaden, de link kopiëren en hier plakken.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een schermafbeelding van deze bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je Imgur.com gebruiken om deze te uploaden, de link kopiëren en hier plakken.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I can actually hear Motty saying, "And I don't want to bore you with the mathematics here, but if it's all square at full time, the tie goes to the team which scored the most goals in the ninety minutes."
If you're British and of a certain age, you'll get that.• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
Rapportgeschiedenis
This can make a huge difference in gameplay. At present, players who care about ELO are incentivized to "play to not finish last" whereas in a home game of Catan, they would "play to win". For example, I was just in a three-player game where halfway through, I had 5 points while my opponents had 6 and 8 points. The player in second place decided to target me with the robber everry time (to ensure I didn't get second place) which allowed the other player to cruise to an easy win.
Please, BGA, introduce an option (and make it the default) to play Catan as a win-or-lose game.
The current system is the lesser of two evils, and frankly it gives me something to play for when I get a crippled start and know I can't win. I've been quite pleased with my 2nd places where I've come back from nothing. If people know they are worse off for coming last they will play better to avoid it and that makes it a better game all round.
Also if someone keeps robbing you maybe you annoyed them with your trades/robber placement/cutting them off etc.
Your scheme would make Catan run counter to pretty much every other game I've played on BGA. On BGA, they're not win or lose games, they're ranked 1/2/3/4, regardless of game rules.
@MrBeardy
I always play hard for second place, or even to go from 4th to 3rd at the end, not because I really care about ELO, I just care about my finish position.
Either way, my point was that using VPs, which determine victory, as a tie-breaker is pretty useless, because it changes nothing. Better just to say same VPS, you're tied, no tie breaker. Other games on BGA use that approach.
Your point here is completely opaque. I can see you're South Korean, so English is presumably a second language for you.
You wrote, "No ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?"
Who, on this thread, spoke about eliminating, introducing, or keeping (or not, to any of those three) ELO risk for 3rd/4th places?
I'll try to make the point of the thread more simple for you.
The game result is decided by "who has the most VPs?"
The tiebreaker for players who share the same number of VPs is: "who has the most VPs?"
That's not me asking the same question twice, that's the game asking the same question twice.
My point, when raising the bug, was that using the same criterion to decide postion initially as you do to break ties thereafter is not useful. The result will never change if you use that approach. Use another criterion to break ties, or abandon the tiebreak altogether.
My point was clear. Your point is not. I don't think you're supporting the bug, and I don't think you're against it.
What are you saying? Whatever that is, it's not relevant to the bug.
Full disclosure: I have seen several options in tournaments, but I do not really care so I will abstain from repeating them here.
Dit rapport aanvullen
- Andere tafel ID / zet ID
- Loste F5 het probleem op?
- Kwam het probleem meerdere keren voor? Altijd? Willekeurig?
- Als je een schermafbeelding van deze bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je Imgur.com gebruiken om deze te uploaden, de link kopiëren en hier plakken.