#3514: "Divine Chalice and summoning gauge"
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Gedetailleerde beschrijving
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de foutboodschap die je op je scherm ziet, indien van toepassing.
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. -
• Leg uit wat je wilde doen, wat je deed en wat er gebeurde
see above
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Wat stond op het scherm toen je geblokkeerd was (Leeg scherm? Een deel van de spelinterface? Foutboodschap?)
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Met welk onderdeel van de regels is geen rekening gehouden bij de BGA-versie?
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. -
• Is de inbreuk op de spelregels zichtbaar in de spelherhaling? Indien ja, bij welk zetnummer?
see above
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Welke spelactie wilde je uitvoeren?
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. -
• Wat probeerde je te doen om deze spelactie te laten optreden?
see above
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• Wat gebeurde er toen je dit probeerde te doen (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
error message (unauthorized move or something like this)
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• In welke fase van het spel deed het probleem zich voor (wat was de huidige spelinstructie)?
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. -
• Wat gebeurde toen je deze spelactie probeerde (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
see above
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Beschrijf alsjeblieft het probleem met de beeldweergave. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I played Divine Chalice and saw that I had no free space for summoning card. I tried to use "+1 summoning gauge" bonus to add free space, but it caused error.
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Google Chrome v44
Rapportgeschiedenis
I think that the game should produce a warning when player whose summoning gauge insufficient try to play Divine Chalice. Also I think that the game should allow to use "+1" bonus during playing this card.
Seasons #33313726
A warning before playing in this situation would be very nice.
"You must have a summoning gauge high enough to be able to put into play the card drawn. Otherwise, discard it."
The implementation complies with the rule.
The divine Chalice can thus always be summoned when the summoning gauge allows its summoning, but not that of an additional power card.
It is up to each player to predict the consequences of his actions and whether it is in his interest to increase his summoning gauge beforehand, if such an increase is possible.
Not a bug.
I strongly disagree with diamant's interpretation. If you were playing with humans, you would simply activate the bonus and give yourself an extra summoning gauge. Here you can click in the wrong order -- once you summon Divine Chalice, you "paint yourself into a corner" that ruins the game for you.
It does not behoove each player to predict that the implemetation of the game will mess them up because they didn't know they couldn't use a bonus in the middle of the card effect resolving.
Leaving it like this makes the game less fun, and fixing it makes the game more fun. It is a bug in the sense that it makes the game less playable and increases the number of games that end with a frustrated player, to literally no good end.
My opponent did this on accident today because he was on mobile and didn't track that he was short a slot.
That said, the suggestion of being able to use a bonus before choosing what card Chalice puts into play is an interesting one. Looking at the rules, it's not clear to me if players are allowed to use bonuses in the midst of resolving a card's effects.
Regarding playing cards, the rules say:
"The type of effect of the power cards determine at what time the effect of the card which has just been summoned must be resolved. There are three different options
-The “when entering play” effects: the card’s effect trigger only when the card has just been summoned."
If anything, I could see it argued that "*must* be resolved" "when the card has just been summoned" means you can't do anything else until that card is resolved (unless there is another card in play with an overriding effect), and therefore you can't use a bonus at that point.
It would have also been nice to allow the card to be added to one's hand by using a prompt "keep in hand" or "discard." I missed out on having access to the card that was summoned. I would have rather paid for it than have it disappear entirely.
Of course, I am not opposed to the principle of an option for beginners to avoid frequent mistakes, as was done for Ralllyman GT. Except that, unlike Rallyman GT, Seasons rules are very incorrectly implemented on critical issues, such as end-of-turn effects.
I therefore hope that future developments will be devoted to the correct consideration of the fundamental elements of the game and the effects of cards, and not to trivialities.
I also note that the rule specifies that the use of a bonus is an action, and therefore that a priori (there is no indication to the contrary in the rules or FAQ), a bonus cannot be used while another action is in progress.
Dit rapport aanvullen
- Andere tafel ID / zet ID
- Loste F5 het probleem op?
- Kwam het probleem meerdere keren voor? Altijd? Willekeurig?
- Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
