#25454: "Game length notice, a subsitute options and a "concede" option"
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de foutboodschap die je op je scherm ziet, indien van toepassing.
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• Leg uit wat je wilde doen, wat je deed en wat er gebeurde
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Mozilla v5
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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Mozilla v5
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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Mozilla v5
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• Wat stond op het scherm toen je geblokkeerd was (Leeg scherm? Een deel van de spelinterface? Foutboodschap?)
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Met welk onderdeel van de regels is geen rekening gehouden bij de BGA-versie?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• Is de inbreuk op de spelregels zichtbaar in de spelherhaling? Indien ja, bij welk zetnummer?
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Mozilla v5
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• Welke spelactie wilde je uitvoeren?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• Wat probeerde je te doen om deze spelactie te laten optreden?
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• Wat gebeurde er toen je dit probeerde te doen (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• In welke fase van het spel deed het probleem zich voor (wat was de huidige spelinstructie)?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
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• Wat gebeurde toen je deze spelactie probeerde (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Beschrijf alsjeblieft het probleem met de beeldweergave. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
Situation: Players don't seem to realize that a game of Spades can take an hour. With the bag penalty and with shy bids (common with beginners), its not unusual to see the score going down (or going up slowly). It can take 15+ rounds before a team reaches 500 points, especially when you don't encounter nils.
1) A warning that the game can be lengthy time-wise before the game start could be useful. Right now, all I see are players that cannot finish a game. Midway, they would say "I have to go" – which can be true or not and which I can understand – but still, don't start a game of spades if you only have 20 minutes ahead of you. Its not Hanabi, Kingdomino or Buttons. I think BGA players are used to shorter games.
2) I once played Spades or Bridge on an old Hoyle/Sierra website back in the early 2000s (this site doesnt exist anymore), but if someone had to leave the game midway, the host/moderator could send an invite to a friend and ask him to substitute and finish the game. The substitute wouldn't score any ELO but at least the game could progress and finish. A few BGA games could use a similar features. For example, a player can easily finish a Saboteur game or a Heart game.
3) The "concede" option is only permitted for 2-player games. I think Spades could be considered a 2-team game where a team can offer a concede. I had a table where a player had to leave midgame and that player offered to abandon but this is not adequate game ethics when the opposing teams is 250 points ahead. In my book, it's called a "conceding". It seems a bit easy to pretend to have to leave after 30 minutes and escape your fate. We tried to concede but it didnt work. Letting the bailing player time running out doesn't solve the problem. An option to concede can also be useful after a last resort "bid nil" has been bidded and the blind-niller holds the ace of spades (certain to take 1 trick).
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
Rapportgeschiedenis
1) The average playing time for a game with the current settings is displayed befor you start a live game. If this time is longer than x minutes, there might be special warning. But this is a general requirement for the BGA Website and should be adressed there. As a game developer I cant change anything here.
2) Like the first point: This is a general BGA requirement for all games and should be adressed there.
3) This seems to be a good idea for spades. I am think adding a button "propose conceding to partner" during the bidding if you are at least x points behind might be easy to implement.
Dit rapport aanvullen
- Andere tafel ID / zet ID
- Loste F5 het probleem op?
- Kwam het probleem meerdere keren voor? Altijd? Willekeurig?
- Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
