#157470: "Make ELO fairer more consistently for lower ranked players in "Century: Spice Road""
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de foutboodschap die je op je scherm ziet, indien van toepassing.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• Leg uit wat je wilde doen, wat je deed en wat er gebeurde
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Wat stond op het scherm toen je geblokkeerd was (Leeg scherm? Een deel van de spelinterface? Foutboodschap?)
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Met welk onderdeel van de regels is geen rekening gehouden bij de BGA-versie?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• Is de inbreuk op de spelregels zichtbaar in de spelherhaling? Indien ja, bij welk zetnummer?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Welke spelactie wilde je uitvoeren?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• Wat probeerde je te doen om deze spelactie te laten optreden?
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• Wat gebeurde er toen je dit probeerde te doen (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• In welke fase van het spel deed het probleem zich voor (wat was de huidige spelinstructie)?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. -
• Wat gebeurde toen je deze spelactie probeerde (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Beschrijf alsjeblieft het probleem met de beeldweergave. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
I think the ELO system takes too many points sometimes from players in the 100 to 300 range when they play against higher ranked players. For example, my rating is around 400 right now; in my most recent game, my opponent entered with ELO of 135. When she lost, she was penalized 11 points of ELO while I gained about 4. It seems like she also should only lose 4, because a loss is natural under that circumstance. She should gain 11 or more if she beats me, and I should lose 11 or more if she beats me. In other words, the expected result should produce only a small change, while an unexpected result should produce a large change., and the two players should experience a change of similar size, I think. Why should the weaker player unfairly suffer more just for producing the expected result? (I've never seen how the formula works. If I'm missing the logic here, maybe post the ELO formula where it can be understood.)
By eye, it seems like sometimes the ELO penalizes the lower player too much, but sometimes it treats them fairly, as fairly is described above. Does the formula change from time to time by accident? If so, maybe the settings can be stabilized. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Brave
Rapportgeschiedenis
I haven't tracked this precisely - I am reporting based on what I've noticed, but have not written down specific cases. I just pulled the table number from my history and otherwise am going by memory. I have seen this happen several times.
Dit rapport aanvullen
- Andere tafel ID / zet ID
- Loste F5 het probleem op?
- Kwam het probleem meerdere keren voor? Altijd? Willekeurig?
- Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
