#114471: "'Forest Fires' not prevented from 'Ecological Protection Service'"
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Gedetailleerde beschrijving
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de foutboodschap die je op je scherm ziet, indien van toepassing.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Leg uit wat je wilde doen, wat je deed en wat er gebeurde
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Wat stond op het scherm toen je geblokkeerd was (Leeg scherm? Een deel van de spelinterface? Foutboodschap?)
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Met welk onderdeel van de regels is geen rekening gehouden bij de BGA-versie?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Is de inbreuk op de spelregels zichtbaar in de spelherhaling? Indien ja, bij welk zetnummer?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Welke spelactie wilde je uitvoeren?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Wat probeerde je te doen om deze spelactie te laten optreden?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly -
• Wat gebeurde er toen je dit probeerde te doen (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
• Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• In welke fase van het spel deed het probleem zich voor (wat was de huidige spelinstructie)?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. -
• Wat gebeurde toen je deze spelactie probeerde (foutboodschap, melding op de statusbalk van het spel, ...)?
yes #158/#159
visible on the logs mainly • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Beschrijf alsjeblieft het probleem met de beeldweergave. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
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• Kopieer en plak alsjeblieft de tekst die in het Engels wordt getoond in plaats van in jouw taal. Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen. Is deze tekst beschikbaar in het vertaalsysteem? Zo ja, is deze meer dan 24 uur geleden vertaald?
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
-
• Gelieve jouw suggestie precies en beknopt uit te leggen zodat het zo makkelijk mogelijk is om te begrijpen wat je bedoelt.
(Used Stratospheric sulfur to have more events, and we got the crisis one turn earlier which add more events)
(Firstly got an unrelated prompt from ecological protection service for a crisis, I refused to use it)
Secondly, got a prompt to use ecological service for 'Forest Fires', I accepted, so that crisis should be prevented for me.
But the crisis isn't prevented. • Welke browser gebruik je?
Mozilla v5
Rapportgeschiedenis
Especially since knowing that nothing will happen is extremely tricky.
Or it's just a bug.
One player wasn't personally affected by the crisis card, but the remaining (board) effects still occur.
No bug here. It's a legal move to use Ecological Protection Service suboptimally. If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone.
Or at least one person will understand it. Can you imagine that you would use the effect for nothing on this case?
For me it's obvious and it's a no.
Now to come back to Online, I can see why it could be different.
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I don't have an example in mind, but I suppose you could find some where doing something extremely bad (like doing an action which lead to you losing) would get an extra prompt from the game telling you should not do it.
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"If we were in the business of enforcing optimal play, we'd automate out the player entirely and the game would play itself, which wouldn't be much fun for anyone." => You could automate things which are good most of the time. That would not make the game play itself since in many cases you should do something different. But that's not great I agree with you that enforcing optimal play would be overall detrimental.
But here it was not enforcing optimal play but not doing something which is no sense.
In summary, we allow you to make your own moves, both good and bad.
- Protection said 'once per turn, one player may ignore the effects of one crisis card if [...]'
- and Forest Fires said 'The player [...] removes 1 Tree and [...]'
And so when you decide that the player ignore the effects of that crisis, that player should not do anything anymore about the crisis.
But so, when the crisis ask that player to removes trees, he just can't, so no player is allowed to remove trees.
Again I can see why in code that would be different, but when I read carefully both card, that's not the interpretation I have.
As long as we're switching positions, let me present this narrative:
1) I tried reproducing this in a test game and it works exactly how you're suggesting it was.
2) In your game, I see that the card both "had no effect" and then, after no effect, it caused the trees to be removed or whatever...
3) ...which is a little confusing...
4) ...until I noticed that the effect worked perfectly, then you drew the SECOND Forest Fires crisis card and suffered its effect.
In summary, Ecological Protection Service is working perfectly fine, but it only works once per round. You drew two of the same card and cancelled the first. There's no bug here.
Sorry for that :(
Dit rapport aanvullen
- Andere tafel ID / zet ID
- Loste F5 het probleem op?
- Kwam het probleem meerdere keren voor? Altijd? Willekeurig?
- Als je een screenshot van de bug hebt (goede gewoonte), kun je een afbeeldingswebsite gebruiken (bijvoorbeeld snipboard.io) om deze te uploaden en de link hier te delen.
